NOAA GFS 25km: Cloud cover issue

Starting today (Nov 29) I noticed that cloud cover appears very different in the NOAA GFS 25km graph versus what it was earlier this week. I’ve not seen this behavior before.

The display is what you’d expect when I choose the CMC GDPS 15km model.

Not sure how to fix that so I thought I’d report it here.

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Lol never mind … I just found out why!

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@Greg Glad You figured it out and shared

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My pleasure Brian! :+1:t2:

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I found the layered cloud cover pretty AWESOME!

Haven’t been to the forum in a while—came here just to say that.

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Looks like a great feature! But I’m still on version 4.132. :confused:

Are updates rolled out slower in the US?

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Thanks. Wish the usual defaults weren’t changed. This one really pissed me off

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Did you try:

  1. Long press on the graph
  2. Select “Edit”
  3. Click on the “Cloud Layers” to turn them off
  4. Click on the “Total Cloud Fill” to turn them on?
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I decide on what defaults are based on what I believe will value the most users.

The layered cloud on the graph will easily benefit all users for one good reason - the equations used to calculate total cloud misrepresents the actual cloudy state. If there is 100% high cloud and 0% low/mid cloud, total cloud will show 100%. See the graph below with the total cloud shaded in a lighter grey.

I know people hate change (I try to keep it to a minimum) but change had to happen for Flowx to get where it is today and will keep happening in the future. If you get pissed off with change, then maybe Flowx is not for you.

This is what Flowx would look like without change:

What I hate as a developer is intolerance, especially when I provided an easy option to get the previous state.

After many years of app development, I have learnt I cannot satisfy everyone all of the time.

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Wow what an attitude.
I won’t argue with you about what you think is best. I will tell you what’s best for me and I like the cloud setup the way it was. This is what I pay for: what I like.

  1. I never said I get pissed off at change.
  2. You provided neither an ‘easy’ nor intuitive way for me to revert to the previous cloud display. I had to spend time researching how to do it, finally seeing another user’s helpful post. My time is expensive.
  3. Your screen shots are meaningless to me. Maybe this means you are making assumptions about subscribers that are incorrect. Step outside of your bubble and consider this.
  4. As for the new default cloud display - it isn’t any more helpful to me, only more cluttered. Maybe offer an explanation to why you even did this. Does it mean the day will be cloudy? Or not? More sun, or not? How does the changed display help determine this any better than before?

After many years of using apps - and paying for them - I’ll spend my money where I feel I’m getting the best return on my investment. Don’t need you to tell me what to think about it.

I’ve attached screenshot of the one thing you may have lost sight of.

Good luck running a business with your current attitude.

I work damn hard on Flowx and I care about the app and it’s users. Because I care, I take things to heart.

This seems like a sarcastic “Thanks” followed by what I think is just a dump on the developer. I read this to mean you were pissed off at the change. I understand some people want to vent. I personally think there are nicer, kinder and more respectful way of expressing this.

I get these kind of unkind comments in the app reviews. Because I care it can get to me and it can sends me into dark places. This is the reason I stopped reading review two years ago. I don’t want this kind of stuff on the forum. It is just not nice.

Some people don’t understand the effort that went into implementing this feature and the consideration for falling back to the previous default.

I literally wrote “If you prefer the total cloud layer, edit the graph and toggle the cloud elements.” in the What’s New pop-up dialog. I updated the graph help pages.

I did consider showing a pop up asking if you wanted the old way or new way but most users will chose the new way. Some, like you, might want to revert back, so I’d need to add a way to revert back. This gets very complex, adds more chances of bugs and would’ve probably taken a day or two to implement. A how-to message in the “What’s New” pop-up dialog is a reasonable approach.

What more could have I done??

I will try to explain more. On the second day in the graph, you can see that there is only high cloud, and no low/mid cloud. High cloud usually means high wispy cirrus clouds and the day feels sunny. But you can see the total cloud graph (light grey) shows 100% cloud which suggests a very cloudy day when it’ll likely be a nice sunny day. So total cloud is very deceptive and cloud layers is far better.

I give you the tools to interpret weather. Although, I did explain more, I am not a teacher of how to interpret weather - I’m not even a meteorologist - it is beyond me and there is a lot of information online. I really can’t do everything.

Money has not been the primary driver for developing Flowx. I really love developing Flowx and giving people a tool that gives value. I always believe that the money will come if you provide value.

I know I’m sensitive to user comments because I care and am invested in Flowx. It is something I’ve struggled with over the 14 years. I have come up with strategies to avoid this, like avoiding app reviews. In the last year, I’ve started ignoring some users who are not understanding or nice to deal with. You can see this means disengaging but this can lead to a soulless company which I don’t want.

The internet is a toxic place. Don’t buy into it and add to it. Be understanding, be nice and be kind - this will improve the internet.

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Couldn’t say it Better Appreciate You @duane & @sally :clinking_beer_mugs:

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I echo Brian’s kind sentiments :clinking_glasses:

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